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Armor and AFVs of the IDF army from 1947-today.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 - 06:34 PM UTC
Shot Kal Alef/Bet

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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2017 - 07:02 PM UTC
Shot Kal Gimel/Dalet

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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2017 - 07:24 PM UTC
#379 "Decommission Ceremony of the last operational IDF Shot platoon-"Golan" platoon, "Golan Storm" (Brigade), July '92"

#380 Apparently the inspiration for AFV Club's Shot Dalet boxart.

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Posted: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 - 10:20 PM UTC
Hi ReluctantRenegade,

How many batches of the M51 exist?

Did only the M51 engine deck and rear plate changed during the different batches or were there more changes?

I have Dragon 3539 M51 which I heard is a batch 4. Would it be correct for a batch 4?

I've read that there were three muzzle types for the M51. I would appreciate any info regarding it.

Thanks in advance,
Angel
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Posted: Thursday, September 07, 2017 - 12:39 AM UTC

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How many batches of the M51 exist? Did only the M51 engine deck and rear plate changed during the different batches or were there more changes?



Hi Angel,

There were 4 batches:

#1 appeared in '62; M4A3 type exhaust on the left of the rear hull plate.

#2 appeared in the early 70's; modified engine deck incorporating additional air intakes; spare track-links on the turret.

#3 appeared around '75; the exhaust was moved to the top of the engine deck; turret top mounted 60 mm mortar; small stowage box added to the right hand side of the turret extension.

#4 appeared in the 80's; the rear vertical hull plate was replaced by a few centimeters thicker one welded back at an angle (allowing better engine cooling); on later versions a stowage bin attached to the rear plate replaced the "shelf" of earlier variants; turret top M1919; re-arranged hull stowage boxes; main gun barrel mounted M2 on the very latest versions (I think).

Basically that's it, however knowing the diversity of IDF stuff, I'm sure there were many mixed variants...



Hope that helped,
Israel

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Posted: Thursday, September 07, 2017 - 12:21 PM UTC
Thanks Israel.

Do you know how many muzzle types existed for the M51? I've read that there were three types.

Thanks again in advance,
Angel
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Posted: Thursday, September 07, 2017 - 03:03 PM UTC

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Do you know how many muzzle types existed for the M51? I've read that there were three types.



That's what I've heard as well, however I can neither confirm nor disprove...



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Posted: Thursday, September 07, 2017 - 06:37 PM UTC
Thanks Israel for your help.

Excellent thread.

Have a nice weekend,
Angel
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Posted: Saturday, September 09, 2017 - 11:59 AM UTC
Let's continue with some vehicles from the Independence War period (some of these are captured arab equipment).

M13/40

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Vickers Mk.IV

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Posted: Sunday, September 10, 2017 - 01:34 AM UTC
A handful of Egyptian M22 Locusts were captured and put in IDF service during the Independence War.

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Posted: Sunday, September 10, 2017 - 01:55 AM UTC
Two 'stolen' Cromwells became the core of the newly formed IDF Armored Corps. Dedicated to Mike Flanagan, RIP.

http://machal.org.il/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=766&Itemid=1175&lang=en

Mike Flanagan - "Jesus Christ, Mac, where's the Rabbi?"
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Posted: Sunday, September 10, 2017 - 02:18 AM UTC
Destroyed/captured Syrian Pv.IV's.

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Posted: Sunday, September 10, 2017 - 02:48 AM UTC
Great pictures.
My favourite so far has to be 411
Thanks for the link a great story and great site.
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Destroyed/captured Jordanian M47's during the six Day War.

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Posted: Sunday, September 10, 2017 - 11:01 AM UTC
A few of the captured Egyptian PT-76's were used by the IDF for raids across the Suez Canal.

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Posted: Monday, October 02, 2017 - 04:17 AM UTC
This thread--and its predecessor--are costing me money.

I'm in the process of adding a guardrail jerry can holder to my Achzarit based on the photos in the last thread. The Tiger Models Nagmachon doghouse late just showed up in today's mail (Nagmachon photos please ) and I've got a Shot Kal with a bunch of extras on order for a 1973 Centurion.

Other than some of the old Concord Publications related to the IDF in the 1980s I don't have many references for the IDF so these threads have been a big help/inspiration. Thanks for resurrecting it.
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Posted: Friday, October 06, 2017 - 12:34 PM UTC

Quoted Text

This thread--and its predecessor--are costing me money.

I'm in the process of adding a guardrail jerry can holder to my Achzarit based on the photos in the last thread. The Tiger Models Nagmachon doghouse late just showed up in today's mail (Nagmachon photos please ) and I've got a Shot Kal with a bunch of extras on order for a 1973 Centurion.

Other than some of the old Concord Publications related to the IDF in the 1980s I don't have many references for the IDF so these threads have been a big help/inspiration. Thanks for resurrecting it.



Thanks. No worries, Nagmachon photos will be uploaded soon...
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Posted: Friday, October 06, 2017 - 12:49 PM UTC
T54/55/Tiran 4/5

Tiran 4 walkaround: http://www.net-maquettes.com/pictures/tiran-4-walk/?afg1156_page_id=1#afg-1156

Tiran 5 walkaround: http://www.primeportal.net/tanks/carl_dennis/tiran_5sh/

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Posted: Friday, October 06, 2017 - 01:01 PM UTC
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T62/Tiran 6

Tiran 6 walkaround: http://www.net-maquettes.com/de/pictures/tiran-6-walkaround/

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Captured/Destroyed T54/55/62 '67-'73

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Posted: Friday, October 06, 2017 - 03:33 PM UTC
Tiran 5 in Uruguayan service

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