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Merkava Mk.4M w/Trophy APS (Meng-1/35th)
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Posted: Monday, April 29, 2019 - 01:08 AM UTC

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Oh, as an aside...last evening, while searching for parts I dropped, I found, after many weeks of searching, the ‘lost’ bag of parts for my Merkava, that I’d written about here. Where were they? In a plastic bag that had slipped between some old papers that I use to protect my work surface when I build. I simply couldn’t believe it after all this time, but I was thrilled!



...after you've ordered the missing parts. Murphy works overtime.
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Posted: Sunday, April 28, 2019 - 11:58 PM UTC
Oh, as an aside...last evening, while searching for parts I dropped, I found, after many weeks of searching, the ‘lost’ bag of parts for my Merkava, that I’d written about here. Where were they? In a plastic bag that had slipped between some old papers that I use to protect my work surface when I build. I simply couldn’t believe it after all this time, but I was thrilled!
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Posted: Saturday, April 27, 2019 - 02:29 PM UTC

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Hey Curt good to hear from you.

I took a bit of time off from working on the Merk. The main reason was that main gun. It is a bit intimidating to say the least so I have been building it in my minds eye...if that makes any sense. I feel I have a good plan of attack so if you can wait a week I was planning on starting on it tomorrow. I'll post up a detailed step-by-step as I go so to give you a good idea of how I approach it.




Fantastic, Eric. I haven't even thought about how to attack the barrel, but I have looked at the parts, and boy, are they intimidating! I look forward to seeing what you have in mind!!
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Posted: Saturday, April 27, 2019 - 12:34 PM UTC
Hey Curt good to hear from you.

I took a bit of time off from working on the Merk. The main reason was that main gun. It is a bit intimidating to say the least so I have been building it in my minds eye...if that makes any sense. I feel I have a good plan of attack so if you can wait a week I was planning on starting on it tomorrow. I'll post up a detailed step-by-step as I go so to give you a good idea of how I approach it.

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Posted: Saturday, April 27, 2019 - 11:14 AM UTC
Hey Eric,

It's been awhile since I posted here, and still haven't taken any photos of my build, since I am waiting on the replacement parts from Meng that I ordered a week or so ago. I'm guessing it might be a month or more until I get them, which stinks because I'd really like to get going on my Merkava. However, I DID get the Magic main gun, and WOW, talk about details! I am really interested in whether you have started to work on that barrel yet, and if so, if you've got any tricks up your sleeve on how to address all the ultra small parts. I think that if I can manage to put it together, it will be a really spectacular addition to the model. Any progress on that, or on any part of your tank?
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Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 - 07:14 AM UTC

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It does. I also have this anti skid mixture and am looking for ways to apply it.
Dan



Good to hear Dan. The Key takeaways are...
a. Apply with brush
b. Go slow
c. more than one layer/coat
d. BE PATIENCE

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Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 - 07:09 AM UTC
Eric,
It does. I also have this anti skid mixture and am looking for ways to apply it.
Dan
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Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 - 05:45 AM UTC
Hello Dan,

The Antiskid paste has the consistency of oil paint with "grains" of material mixed into it. Therefore it can not be shot through an airbrush. Using a triple-zero brush and using the molded on antiskid as a guide I applied the first of two coats just like painting. after about 20mins I then applied the second coat using a number zero sized brush in a stippling motion. Once this cures, about 2hrs I remove the Antiskid from areas that I accidently applied it to. It took about 2hrs to do the entire lower hull and I figure about the same time or a tad bit longer due to the odd shapes on the turret. It's about the same amount of time to do the mask and spray method.

Hope this helps
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 - 12:09 PM UTC
Eric,
How did you apply the anti-skid?
Dan
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 - 11:22 AM UTC
Here's where the Merk stands after last weeks bench time.
Got the upper hull mostly completed with a handful of details to add. The antiskid if from Mig Productions and goes on nicely with a brush and bit of patience. I'm happy with the overall effect though it is a bit to coarse for the Mk-4s.



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Thanks for stopping by and as always comments are welcome.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 - 12:40 PM UTC
No hurry Curt! Just build at your own pace, it is just a hobby after all. I had the impression that you were further along is all.

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Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 - 11:30 AM UTC

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Thanks for the additional info Israel. Some of it I was aware and some I did not know. That last Merk you posted looks to have had a ruff day in the office.

And Curt it would appear that yours is covered. Never a bad thing to have an extra in the stash. Would still like to see some shots of your build. You could PM them to me if you like.




Eric,

I'm happy to post photos of my build, it's just that I don't have anything interesting to show yet. The only thing so far is the Vulcan insignia that I posted here: http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=276378#2328404

I'll take a few pictures this coming weekend, but so far it's just the standard build with Israeli gray paint; nothing beyond that at all.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 - 08:12 AM UTC
Thanks for the additional info Israel. Some of it I was aware and some I did not know. That last Merk you posted looks to have had a ruff day in the office.

And Curt it would appear that yours is covered. Never a bad thing to have an extra in the stash. Would still like to see some shots of your build. You could PM them to me if you like.

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Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 - 07:53 AM UTC
Speaking of bazooka plates: note the missing one, the damage to the left fender and the missing one on the right side:



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Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 - 07:41 AM UTC
Eric,
I like the tank you are trying to duplicate, it’s neat! My Vulcan tank is in similar condition. ‘Mine’ has the same ‘shrouds’ over the Trophy launchers as ‘your’ tank does, which is unfortunate, because even though there isn’t much detail on the launchers themselves, they are painted in that bright blue color, which would be a really nice contrast to the IDF gray/green/sand color. I suppose we could take artistic license and leave the covers off, but I don’t want to go that route. Poo!

Well, I’ve ordered the replacement sprues for the clear parts that I lost, and as I wrote before, looking forward to getting that REALLY cool main gun barrel! Thanks for pointing me in the right direction for some of this stuff. I can’t wait to see the Vulcan placard on the back of my tank! I decided to use Friul metal tracks for this build. I would have liked to use the kit tracks, but I always like the metal ones, if only for the weight, which I know, once the tank is in place in its final display spot, is irrelevant. Still... At least with the replacement parts coming, I won’t have to use the new, extra kit I bought, so I’ll have another brand new Merkava 4M w/ Trophy available to build however I want!! 🇮🇱
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Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 - 07:16 AM UTC

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in the photo of the close up of the MILES gear the any idea what the unit symbol would be on the board hanging off the turret rack?(



I've payed attention that in some Mk.4M equipped units there are no large platoon markings painted on framed canvas on the side of the turret basket but rather a small marking painted on the third plate from the rear instead:



Either way, in case of an organic vehicle, the marking on the rear should correspond to the markings on the sides and mudflaps:



When it doesn't, the tank most likely has been temporarily assigned to a different role:



Sometimes the company CO and/or his deputy's tank carry large, rather artistic rear turret markings (just like Curt's excellent 'Vulcan' effort):



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Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 - 04:29 AM UTC
Eric,
I'll look that light up, I didn't know that was one was out there in 35th.
Dan
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Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 - 04:02 AM UTC
Thanks Israel!

I think most builders do and its an important part of the process. I just didn't want you all to think I was blowing off you inputs.

Hey while I have you here...in the photo of the close up of the MILES gear the any idea what the unit symbol would be on the board hanging off the turret rack?

I was going to up load a picture of the one I was thinking of using...but the server is busy...
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Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 - 03:54 AM UTC
Hello Dan,

I'm not quite to that part of the build yet however the plan is to use masking or lead foil tape the strip, make the round sensors with a punch and die set and some styrene strips for other details. I have a set of amber lights from Accurate Armor for the flasher.

We'll see how that comes out
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Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 - 03:52 AM UTC

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The inclusion of the missing plates (as this has already be modeled into this build) is strictly artistic license to help drew visual interest and guide the viewer's eye around the model.



I do that too: on almost every model I build I incorporate at least one feature based on artistic license because of the very reason you’ve mentioned.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 - 03:34 AM UTC
Eric,
What are you using for the MILES?
Dan
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Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 - 03:15 AM UTC
Thanks to both Greg & Israel for the information and insight provided. I understand that the IDF heavenly enforces equipment standardization to ensure FMC hardware. I currently plan to depict the Merk in exercise mode with MILES gear attached. The inclusion of the missing plates (as this has already be modeled into this build) is strictly artistic license to help drew visual interest and guide the viewer's eye around the model. I really do appreciate any and all information as it will help with future decisions regarding how I'll finish this build.

Here are a few sample photos that I'm using as inspiration...









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Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 - 01:16 AM UTC
Based on the landscape and the missing/mixed plates, I’d suggest the tank above belongs to IDF’s main training formation in the Negev desert.

As Bob (rightly) pointed out, such application is extremely rare; I find it hard to believe that a tank would be cleared for operational use (unless in case of an all-out war) with a missing plate. If you see such a tank used operationally, it was most likely photographed right after it lost the plate(s) in action.