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M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2019 - 03:24 AM UTC

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If you wonderful people across the pond feel hard done by - try Parcel Force which deals with foreign shipping too big for the Royal Mail. The Chinese vendors such as LuckyModel stick a "low value invoice" which basically means whatever it is - it only costs £14 which is below the duty thresh-hold. Parcel Force feel they haven't been properly remunerated for the job they are paid for - so decide that the contents are subject to £12 in duty. They then charge a handling fee of £8 for the privilege of them paying to HMRC money you didn't have to pay anyway.
Ironically, the Trumpeter 1/16 Panther cost 8 Euros to ship from the Netherlands via DHL within 2 days. and being within the European union - was duty free. Somehow , this kit was £50 below the best price I could find from Hong Kong vendors which is just bizarre.



I cruise around on Ebay a lot, (I have trouble with sleeping) and it really is "bizarre" as far as shipping rates versus ETAs, versus actual arrival times are concerned. We have an expression here in the U.S.: "Ya can't fight City Hall...", which basically applies to anything our government or its manifold "agencies" choose to inflict upon the American Taxpayer. Many Americans just shrug and then go on with their lives, knowing that it isn't going to get any better. Complaining generally doesn't do any good...

U.S. citizens and/or residents:

This morning, I was reading an editorial on another hobby site, CYBERMODELER. The writer claims to have seen plastic model kits on "the list" of "higher-tariff" items; we will supposedly see a price-hike of 25% on models coming from China in the near future. Chew on THAT for a few minutes. Do the math; it isn't too hard to figure out...

For those of you who can't, here's an example:

$75.00 x 0.25 = $18.75

$75.00 + $18.75 = $93.75

So on top of waiting for nearly ONE FOURTH of a YEAR for your model to arrive in the United States from China, and then waiting for your domestic shipper to do the "Round-Robin" with your parcel, YOU'LL ALSO HAVE THE THE PRIVILEGE OF PAYING MORE FOR IT...

Now consider this:

Domestic and the "other" foreign model-manufacturing companies, their distributors, wholesalers AND LOCAL HOBBY SHOPS will want to cash in on our addictions to plastics, adhesives, putties, paints, thinners and all of the other claptrap and gobbledigook that is associated with said addictions. "They", the people who want your hard-earned do-re-mi, will ALL want to ride the "gravy train", as well...

So if you think you're paying through your nose for plastic model kits now, think of what it may cost you in a few months...

Maybe it's high time to dust off all of those moldering "to build someday" models in your "stash", (I HATE that word) or on your shelves and start building THESE, instead of ordering more models which will potentially molder on your shelves in the future!!!



More good news, later! But FIRST, a word from our sponsor!...
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2019 - 03:38 AM UTC

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Hi, Kurt!

----- Some people still can't tell their left from their right, either. They'll look at their hands and have to think about it...



The left hand is the one with the thumb on the right side,
the right hand is the one with the thumb on the left side,
unless the palms are facing upwards because then it is the other way around ....
If the thumb is in the middle you are in DEEP trouble ....



!!!!!

But WHAT is the "middle-finger" going to do if the thumb takes over the "middle-spot"?!? Poor little middle-finger, out of a "job"... Goodness, ME!!!

M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2019 - 03:41 AM UTC

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Yes, the 4 day one I am not worried about yet..it is the 8 day sitting at the airport package.....guess I have to be patient.



That beats the one I had. LAX for only 6 days, but in transit for 2 more days, arrived a day later. Then I wasn't home, needed a signature, had to work Saturday, finally got to the post office on Monday. It was one of two. The second box was shipped two days after the first, and arrived in the mail box in three days. Where's the logic in that?



"But, but, b-b-but-but..."
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2019 - 03:42 AM UTC

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Hi, Kurt!

----- Some people still can't tell their left from their right, either. They'll look at their hands and have to think about it...



The left hand is the one with the thumb on the right side,
the right hand is the one with the thumb on the left side,
unless the palms are facing upwards because then it is the other way around ....
If the thumb is in the middle you are in DEEP trouble ....



!!!!!

But WHAT is the "middle-finger" going to do if the thumb takes over the "middle-spot"?!? Poor little middle-finger, out of a "job"... Goodness, ME!!!




In Sweden we have an expression for those who are useless when it comes to handling tools or doing any kind of practical work. We say that they have the thumb in the middle of the hand (read palm).
A thumb located in the center of the palm makes it impossible to handle tools
/ Robin
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2019 - 03:47 AM UTC

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The US postal system is the last great mystery left for mankind to decipher.

Our tracking system, while interesting, provides ample evidence that we are dealing with forces not of this universe.

Almost without fail I get packages from outside our borders within an shamefully small amount of time, while I track packages going from North Carolina to my home in Virginia picking up travel stickers from New York to Oklahoma. Go figger.

In the US Postal system you pays yo dime and takes yo ride!

And don’t get me started about the great pretender UPS...



FEDEX and DHL are no better. Get this: ALL of these shippers on occasion partner with USPS... And altogether, we get alphabet soup...

PS- I'll STILL not your friend...
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2019 - 03:55 AM UTC

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Hi, Kurt!

----- Some people still can't tell their left from their right, either. They'll look at their hands and have to think about it...



The left hand is the one with the thumb on the right side,
the right hand is the one with the thumb on the left side,
unless the palms are facing upwards because then it is the other way around ....
If the thumb is in the middle you are in DEEP trouble ....



!!!!!

But WHAT is the "middle-finger" going to do if the thumb takes over the "middle-spot"?!? Poor little middle-finger, out of a "job"... Goodness, ME!!!




In Sweden we have an expression for those who are useless when it comes to handling tools or doing any kind of practical work. We say that they have the thumb in the middle of the hand (read palm).
A thumb located in the center of the palm makes it impossible to handle tools
/ Robin





Here in America, and I think in all other English-speaking countries also, we will say "He, she, (or it) is All Thumbs", which is in the same context as your Swedish expression. In either case, the expressions "fit" the "right" or "left" person...
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2019 - 06:24 AM UTC
Last week I was asked, again, by UPS, to "confirm" my address when I checked on a package that was several days over-due.

The address they had was 100% correct, it has been the same for 5 decades. I input the exact same address, and got the package then next day. I was tempted to tell them to flag down the Amazon driver. They always find me, on time, with-out fail.

After all the problems, and the calls/e-mails between them and me, I have no doubt I'm on the nasty customers list.
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2019 - 06:40 AM UTC
The "EPACKET" from Hong Kong gets to me in Florida very quickly.

I would say that most of the time, things move through customs rather quickly, but sometimes they can get slowed down.

I recently had a package from Japan that took like 3 weeks to get to me instead of the usual 10 days or so.

I also once had a Wingnut Wings kit coming from New Zealand and it was hung up in customs for like 10 days.

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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2019 - 07:18 AM UTC
And with Porch Pirates becoming more aggressive than ever, sometimes it just boils down to a roll of the dice. 🎲🎲
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2019 - 01:36 PM UTC
Just have the deliver toss the package on the roof. The porch pirates be damn.
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2019 - 01:54 PM UTC

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Just have the deliver toss the package on the roof. The porch pirates be damn.



My roof is easier to see than my porch. Lucky me!
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2019 - 05:00 PM UTC
Am I the only [auto-censored] here who has never had a problem with USPS or UPS? My biggest issue tends to be whether or not the mail guy is feeling delivering packages in the rain or not...
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2019 - 10:58 PM UTC

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Am I the only [auto-censored] here who has never had a problem with USPS or UPS? My biggest issue tends to be whether or not the mail guy is feeling delivering packages in the rain or not...



Yes. With online tracking, you can check to see if there was an attempt at delivery but nothing left--
So you take the tracking number to the Post Office and get the package.

Got to be on these twits or they'll claim they left the notices and send it back and you'll email the sender and they're mystified too.

And if they're in Switzerland or Belgium maybe you can get chocolate in the reseeding.
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Posted: Monday, May 20, 2019 - 12:26 AM UTC
With my mailman, I get someone else's mail about once a month. 5 days ago he left an Amazon package for a guy 2 streets over. Now what irks me is when my neighbors, who I give their misdelivered mail to write "Does not live here" and gives it back to the mailman who then returns the mail to the sender instead of walking over to my place.
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Here's a solution for those of you who receive mis-directed mail-- get to know your mailperson. I know my mailman by name, he knows me by name. I take the time to talk to him on occasion. And I leave a small box of chocolates in the mailbox for his family every Christmas. I never have any misdirected mail. I know that may not be possible in all cases, especially if you have a P.O. Box. I've also tried to get to know the UPS guy-- they generally drive the same routes every day, but that's not always the case. USPS carriers are generally assigned routes though, the only times they vary carriers are vacations or days off, and generally the relief carrier has the same routes. Now that Amazon is experimenting with their own delivery service, I do see more problems, but I've even tried to talk with those folks too. Unfortunately, their deliver services vary, and they sometimes even use their private autos-- I had a woman pull up in my drive last week with a car load of packages-- at first I though "porch pirate!" Until she got out of her car, retrieved a package from the back seat, and deposited it on my porch. When I asked what was going on, she told me she was a part time Amazon driver, so I asked her about it. Bottom line-- talk to the folks who deliver you packages if you can. It may make all the difference.
VR, Russ
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Posted: Monday, May 20, 2019 - 04:37 AM UTC

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Here's a solution for those of you who receive mis-directed mail-- get to know your mailperson. I know my mailman by name, he knows me by name. I take the time to talk to him on occasion. And I leave a small box of chocolates in the mailbox for his family every Christmas. I never have any misdirected mail. I know that may not be possible in all cases, especially if you have a P.O. Box. I've also tried to get to know the UPS guy-- they generally drive the same routes every day, but that's not always the case. USPS carriers are generally assigned routes though, the only times they vary carriers are vacations or days off, and generally the relief carrier has the same routes. Now that Amazon is experimenting with their own delivery service, I do see more problems, but I've even tried to talk with those folks too. Unfortunately, their deliver services vary, and they sometimes even use their private autos-- I had a woman pull up in my drive last week with a car load of packages-- at first I though "porch pirate!" Until she got out of her car, retrieved a package from the back seat, and deposited it on my porch. When I asked what was going on, she told me she was a part time Amazon driver, so I asked her about it. Bottom line-- talk to the folks who deliver you packages if you can. It may make all th difference.
VR, Russ



Exactly.

Take the time and make the effort to know ALL the "little people" who actually play big - but - maybe - hidden roles in your lives. The garbage-collectors, postal and other route-delivery folks, utility meter-readers, street-cleaners and snow-plow guys, etc., are all real people. Likewise, your neighbors. Treat them well and with respect, and they will treat you well. It's old-fashioned community civility!

Will this affect "shipping from China"? Not likely - but then, "shipping from China" is really about whether Chinese sellers send the stuff to the USA, and how, isn't it? Once inside the US, it's all about "shipping and delivery of goods in the US" - which has almost NOTHING to do with CHINA. It's two almost completely separate sets of issues and questions. The stories recounted here sadly mostly point to our domestic delivery "systems" and their ills. WE have problems, and mostly they seem to be with our domestic delivery folks, and perhaps with our neighbors in some cases...
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Posted: Monday, May 20, 2019 - 06:29 AM UTC

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Here's a solution for those of you who receive mis-directed mail-- get to know your mailperson. I know my mailman by name, he knows me by name. I take the time to talk to him on occasion. And I leave a small box of chocolates in the mailbox for his family every Christmas. I never have any misdirected mail. I know that may not be possible in all cases, especially if you have a P.O. Box. I've also tried to get to know the UPS guy-- they generally drive the same routes every day, but that's not always the case. USPS carriers are generally assigned routes though, the only times they vary carriers are vacations or days off, and generally the relief carrier has the same routes. Now that Amazon is experimenting with their own delivery service, I do see more problems, but I've even tried to talk with those folks too. Unfortunately, their deliver services vary, and they sometimes even use their private autos-- I had a woman pull up in my drive last week with a car load of packages-- at first I though "porch pirate!" Until she got out of her car, retrieved a package from the back seat, and deposited it on my porch. When I asked what was going on, she told me she was a part time Amazon driver, so I asked her about it. Bottom line-- talk to the folks who deliver you packages if you can. It may make all th difference.
VR, Russ



Exactly.

Take the time and make the effort to know ALL the "little people" who actually play big - but - maybe - hidden roles in your lives. The garbage-collectors, postal and other route-delivery folks, utility meter-readers, street-cleaners and snow-plow guys, etc., are all real people. Likewise, your neighbors. Treat them well and with respect, and they will treat you well. It's old-fashioned community civility!

Will this affect "shipping from China"? Not likely - but then, "shipping from China" is really about whether Chinese sellers send the stuff to the USA, and how, isn't it? Once inside the US, it's all about "shipping and delivery of goods in the US" - which has almost NOTHING to do with CHINA. It's two almost completely separate sets of issues and questions. The stories recounted here sadly mostly point to our domestic delivery "systems" and their ills. WE have problems, and mostly they seem to be with our domestic delivery folks, and perhaps with our neighbors in some cases...



Bob's right-- it sometimes has unintended benefits too--- our relief postman last July (while the main guy was on vacation) asked about a package labeled "model aircraft" (from WnW in NZ). Turns out, he's wanted to get into the hobby for a while, and built models as a kid. He's since joined an IPMS chapter nearby. A few years ago, I had a city water guy ask about the stack of kits I have in my garage-- he's a model car builder. Now every time he comes around to read the meter, he stops and asks what I've been working on. I'm having a gas line moved next week, when the guy who came to do the estimate saw the "collection", he told me he was a big RC aircraft guy, but had lately been getting into tanks-- as he was leaving, he waived the $149 estimators fee (applicable to the work if you hire the company) and told me to spend the money on more models! You never know who you're going to meet that's interested in your hobby. Start with the postal guys. Your service might improve!
VR
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I am always polite to the postal workers, package carriers, and retail people I come into contact with. I've been behind a counter in retail so I know what crass stupidity they have to deal with at times. The UPS driver that finds me is typically not the one that did not, and they are not very complimentary of the other driver.

The customer is always right is a huge load of BS.
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Well finally got notice that the item I was waiting for, that was held up in customs for 12 days...finally cleared and was delivered today.

But of course the tracking only shows my city and zip code and guess what..no package today!!!

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Posted: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 - 10:58 AM UTC

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Well finally got notice that the item I was waiting for, that was held up in customs for 12 days...finally cleared and was delivered today.

But of course the tracking only shows my city and zip code and guess what..no package today!!!

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Hmmm.. does it say "delivered" or "delivered to destination"? That makes all the difference. It could be one of three things:
1) The proverbial "porch pirates" have grabbed it (hope not)
2) The delivery was coming through one of the carriers contracted by the USPS (UPS, FEDEX, or independent carrier) in which case it was handed over to the P. O. For delivery, or the P.O. Has handed it to them, and will likely arrive tomorrow.
3) It's sitting in the P.O., and will be delivered tommorow -- this is sometimes the case when you see the words "delivered to destination or delivered to destination P.O."
There is a fourth possibility-- it will be hand delivered tonight, or its sitting on your porch right now--😊

P.S.-- you should also look for the words "out for delivery" prior to the "delivered". You can tailor the USPS delivery options to give updates too-- it'll tell you when there is an "exception" if you chose that notification.
VR, Russ
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Out for delivery is somewhat useless. When packages arrive at the delivery station they are scanned. This generates an arrival scan and an out for delivery. This happens wither the arrival is in the morning in time to sort the carriers' route for delivery or in the afternoon after he has left. "Most" city carriers will be on the street by 9am.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 - 11:52 AM UTC

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Out for delivery is somewhat useless. When packages arrive at the delivery station they are scanned. This generates an arrival scan and an out for delivery. This happens wither the arrival is in the morning in time to sort the carriers' route for delivery or in the afternoon after he has left. "Most" city carriers will be on the street by 9am.



Well, it's well past 9AM in Florida where the poster is located, (in fact it's closer to 9PM) . So, if it says "out for delivery" what it means is, it's on the carireirs truck. This is more than useful if you ar expecting to receive a package, and you know what times your mailperson delivers the mail.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 - 12:17 PM UTC
No....the notice says delivered...and my city and zip code...just not the # and street name....no porch pirates as it is UPS store.
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No....the notice says delivered...and my city and zip code...just not the # and street name....no porch pirates as it is UPS store.



Well... UPS is a different story. If it's UPS and it says "delivered", that can mean two things-- it's been set on your porch. Or it could mean that it's been delivered to your local post office (hence the zip code), and wil be delivered by your postal carrier tommorow with the regular mail. My experience (I have a delivery placed on my porch about every other day) is more and more, UPS is delivering through the P.O. --If it's not there tomorrow, it's time to worry. But it may also depend on how far from a P.O. You are-- here in Western Washington, some rural homes are quite a way from their P.O.'s within the area code. And If you're expecting to pay customs, you may have to pick it up at the P.O. But wait-- you say it's been delivered to the UPS store?? That's totally different-- I'd go there and show them that they have it-- see what they say. Good luck! Let us know how it turns out.
VR, Russ
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Being rural we use a PO Box so usually not problems there. My house was built in 79 and to this very day the address does not exist according to FEDEX and UPS. We've gotten to know most of the delivery drivers after 20+ years living here so they know where to deliver, but there are a lot of Amazon vendors won't let us complete a purchase using this address or won't send to a PO box and we have to use nearby family addresses. A bit of a hassle but it gets done.